Peter was thinking of the summer when he was so madly in love with Clarissa. He was dreaming of a scene and a room in his past and then he connected it to an incident. The incident involved a social gathering where Clarissa talks about a man’s wife, previously his housemaid, who was over-dressed. Clarissa referred to her as looking like a “cockatoo”. She made a comment about not ever speaking to the lady after learning of her having a baby before she was married and that made everyone around the table uncomfortable. Peter made the statement “death of the soul” when referring to the incident. I see the words as describing Clarissa because she was so cruel and hard, but it could also be that she actually killed the death of the woman’s soul by belittling her. Either way, the statement shows how the inner soul appears to be void.
I think Peter meant it as the death of the soul of their love. The incedent Peter described in the park depicts the exact behavior and demeanor that he cant stand about Clarissa, the thing that makes them different.The extravagancies of her life and status separate them, no matter how much they care about each other. She is too judgemental and seems to care too much about the trivialities in life....Perhaps he meant that this was the death of Clarissa's soul, her social/domestic lifestyle. But also its possible the incedent made him think of "death of the soul", because thats when he realized that he could never really be with her, or be in love with her.
Comment to Jordana That is an interesting idea. I hadn't thought about it being Peter's way of seeing Clarissa for who she really was and knowing deep in his soul that he really could not be with her not matter how much he truly loved her. Maybe Peter was in love with the idea of being in love with Clarissa more than anything. I feel that no matter who the statement was geared toward,it concentrates on the soul not being alive and functioning to full capacity.
I feel Peter is talking about Clarissa and the fact that she is so judgemental. She puts so many expectations on people she not only is hurting them but is constantly hurting herself and setting herself up for disappointment. There is a more literal sense in where she is killing other people's souls because of her opinion and the value of her opinion. But she is also killing her own soul by not allowing herself to be accepting of others souls. She thinks she is protecting herself but really just slowly putting herself through this immense pain.
I agree with Maegan that "the death of the soul" pertains to Clarissa attitude toward Miss Kilman and other people. It seem like she wants people to be afraid of her. Clarissa is an overly sensitive person. Her opinion is the only one that matters and if do not agree with Clarissa than she will disown you or give you some attitude.
Clarissa is cold and callus, and Peter has finally come to terms with the fact that she can no longer be reached on a level of that nature. She's in an awkward sort of relationship with Richard. But Peter has no chance, and Clarissa isn't very nice to him. He notices that she can't love anymore. That is the death of the soul.
Felicite, I like how you point out specifically Ms. Kilman and how overly sensitive Clarissa is. It is so true because Ms. Kilman is definitely a person Clarissa tends to undermine even if it is not Clarissa's goal. She also does over think everything which makes her take everything more to heart and senstitively.
Clarissa is not the same person that she was before. She does not care about the feelings of others but herself if she still has any. She is self-minded, only caring about her own soul which she already lost. Peter realizes that she is not the same person he fell in love with. She can no longer feel the love, her soul has diminished, DEAD!
Clarissa is not the same person that she was before. She does not care about the feelings of others but herself if she still has any. She is self-minded, only caring about her own soul which she already lost. Peter realizes that she is not the same person he fell in love with. She can no longer feel the love, her soul has diminished, DEAD!
Comment to Robert: I do not think Clarissa is cold hearted, I just think she is not as sensitive to peoples’ needs and emotions. I do agree with that the relationship between her and Peter has no chance because she keeps talking herself out of the love she really has for him. If constantly keep reminding and convincing yourself that you do not have feelings for a person you will soon begin to believe it.
Comment to Robert: I do not think Clarissa is cold hearted, I just think she is not as sensitive to peoples’ needs and emotions. I do agree with that the relationship between her and Peter has no chance because she keeps talking herself out of the love she really has for him. If constantly keep reminding and convincing yourself that you do not have feelings for a person you will soon begin to believe it.
Comment to Felicite: Clarissa is not as sensitive to other peoples' emotions simply because she doesn't care. she is extremely judgmental toward just about everyone and criticizes people frequently. Seems alittle cold hearted to me. This novel was written many decades ago in a time where it wasn't okay to call each other derogatory terms as it is today, people were a lot more caring of others emotions, and a sense of respectfulness and honor was something that everyone strived for at that time. I'm going to have to disagree with you that she is not cold hearted.
I wish I had thought of that! Peter could also be referring to the death or HER soul. She is no longer the person she was, and she really doesnt seem to have a soul, or her soul seems lost. Perhaps after Peter envisioned the judgemental "domesticated" Clarissa he instantly thought of the death of her soul, and how she seemingly has no inner-anything to live for.
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Peter was thinking of the summer when he was so madly in love with Clarissa. He was dreaming of a scene and a room in his past and then he connected it to an incident. The incident involved a social gathering where Clarissa talks about a man’s wife, previously his housemaid, who was over-dressed. Clarissa referred to her as looking like a “cockatoo”. She made a comment about not ever speaking to the lady after learning of her having a baby before she was married and that made everyone around the table uncomfortable. Peter made the statement “death of the soul” when referring to the incident. I see the words as describing Clarissa because she was so cruel and hard, but it could also be that she actually killed the death of the woman’s soul by belittling her. Either way, the statement shows how the inner soul appears to be void.
I think Peter meant it as the death of the soul of their love. The incedent Peter described in the park depicts the exact behavior and demeanor that he cant stand about Clarissa, the thing that makes them different.The extravagancies of her life and status separate them, no matter how much they care about each other. She is too judgemental and seems to care too much about the trivialities in life....Perhaps he meant that this was the death of Clarissa's soul, her social/domestic lifestyle. But also its possible the incedent made him think of "death of the soul", because thats when he realized that he could never really be with her, or be in love with her.
Comment to Jordana
That is an interesting idea. I hadn't thought about it being Peter's way of seeing Clarissa for who she really was and knowing deep in his soul that he really could not be with her not matter how much he truly loved her. Maybe Peter was in love with the idea of being in love with Clarissa more than anything. I feel that no matter who the statement was geared toward,it concentrates on the soul not being alive and functioning to full capacity.
I feel Peter is talking about Clarissa and the fact that she is so judgemental. She puts so many expectations on people she not only is hurting them but is constantly hurting herself and setting herself up for disappointment. There is a more literal sense in where she is killing other people's souls because of her opinion and the value of her opinion. But she is also killing her own soul by not allowing herself to be accepting of others souls. She thinks she is protecting herself but really just slowly putting herself through this immense pain.
I agree with Maegan that "the death of the soul" pertains to Clarissa attitude toward Miss Kilman and other people. It seem like she wants people to be afraid of her. Clarissa is an overly sensitive person. Her opinion is the only one that matters and if do not agree with Clarissa than she will disown you or give you some attitude.
Clarissa is cold and callus, and Peter has finally come to terms with the fact that she can no longer be reached on a level of that nature. She's in an awkward sort of relationship with Richard. But Peter has no chance, and Clarissa isn't very nice to him. He notices that she can't love anymore. That is the death of the soul.
Felicite, I like how you point out specifically Ms. Kilman and how overly sensitive Clarissa is. It is so true because Ms. Kilman is definitely a person Clarissa tends to undermine even if it is not Clarissa's goal. She also does over think everything which makes her take everything more to heart and senstitively.
Clarissa is not the same person that she was before. She does not care about the feelings of others but herself if she still has any. She is self-minded, only caring about her own soul which she already lost. Peter realizes that she is not the same person he fell in love with. She can no longer feel the love, her soul has diminished, DEAD!
Clarissa is not the same person that she was before. She does not care about the feelings of others but herself if she still has any. She is self-minded, only caring about her own soul which she already lost. Peter realizes that she is not the same person he fell in love with. She can no longer feel the love, her soul has diminished, DEAD!
Comment to Robert:
I do not think Clarissa is cold hearted, I just think she is not as sensitive to peoples’ needs and emotions. I do agree with that the relationship between her and Peter has no chance because she keeps talking herself out of the love she really has for him. If constantly keep reminding and convincing yourself that you do not have feelings for a person you will soon begin to believe it.
Comment to Robert:
I do not think Clarissa is cold hearted, I just think she is not as sensitive to peoples’ needs and emotions. I do agree with that the relationship between her and Peter has no chance because she keeps talking herself out of the love she really has for him. If constantly keep reminding and convincing yourself that you do not have feelings for a person you will soon begin to believe it.
Comment to Felicite:
Clarissa is not as sensitive to other peoples' emotions simply because she doesn't care. she is extremely judgmental toward just about everyone and criticizes people frequently. Seems alittle cold hearted to me. This novel was written many decades ago in a time where it wasn't okay to call each other derogatory terms as it is today, people were a lot more caring of others emotions, and a sense of respectfulness and honor was something that everyone strived for at that time. I'm going to have to disagree with you that she is not cold hearted.
To Angel-
I wish I had thought of that! Peter could also be referring to the death or HER soul. She is no longer the person she was, and she really doesnt seem to have a soul, or her soul seems lost. Perhaps after Peter envisioned the judgemental "domesticated" Clarissa he instantly thought of the death of her soul, and how she seemingly has no inner-anything to live for.
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